Joining the electric car club

[Zep]

As far as I understand it a fine for all non electric cars.

 

[Zep]

I guess this will just lead to more BEVs being 'sold' by dealers and then advertised as used demonstrators.

Perhaps. It’s unclear from one paragraph how it will be administered.

 

[gb-gta]

If Ford sells 100k cars per year then to still sell that amount they need to sell 22k EV’s this year. By 2028 to maintain sales of 100k cars they will need to sell 52k EV’s. They are going to have to persuade a lot of people who just want a white goods car to spend a lot more on it….

Maybe if they manage to persuade 35k people by then they’ll just have to be content with only selling 67k cars per year, a 33% drop.

 

[Zep]

It’s 16% YTD, so some work to be done.

I don’t want to alarm you, but to a significant majority of the population, cars are white goods. What else could explain the Nissan Qashqai?

 

[urquattrogus]

Our Jag I pace is going well, it's already proved to be a great family wagon, will mostly be driven by my wife.

It's super quiet and refined and we have done a lot of local journeys in it, and now charging using octopus intelligent go at 7.5p a KW.

It may be an older design but really pleased with it. The feel and comfort of the cabin and tech strike the right balance for me.

Do I feel any need to drive quickly in it? Is it exciting?

No, I don't feel any need to because unsurprisingly it's not engaging. Waft along and turn the music up etc

So I'd say for the use case it's fit for purpose and no regrets, as Euan said, an EV can make a great car for the local day to day.

 

[midlifecrisis]

It’s 16% YTD, so some work to be done.

I don’t want to alarm you, but to a significant majority of the population, cars are white goods. What else could explain the Nissan Qashqai?

I could add a few cars to that list... remember the Honda Cube thing...

I often thought of passing them the number to the Samaritans as they have clearly lost the will to live...

It's 116 123 btw...

 

[keith]

Quite plainly you have done the salesmans job for him and sold it to yourself already .............another contributor to our throw away society , well done Keith , what do you want a pat on the back

Got to be honest, I haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about, and I've spent some time trying to think what you mean.
Is it that I shouldn't be selling my DS3 after six years, or...
Is it that somehow MG make cars that don't last?
I'm going with the second, but that is just a totally ignorant and ridiculous assertion. MG Motors provide the longest warranty of any car make currently on sale worldwide at SEVEN YEARS!!!!!!
If their cars are throw away consumables cos they don't last, why on Earth would they have a seven year warranty!
With respect, I think your comment is an example of - put brain into gear before engaging mouth, or fingers!
At least do the briefest of research before typing...
By the way just to reiterate, on top of the warranty, is a car which when compared to anything else, certainly from Europe, that is hands down thousands cheaper spec for spec.
Like in the seventies everyone derided the Japanese Auto makers, much to the peril of much of the western car industry, then people were equally dismissive of Korean cars. I for one can confirm that the Koreans are forging ahead of the European premium brands, and the Chinese will be next...
In the future western Europe will be studied by historians as how a once economic power house could be allowed to collapse through uncompetitiveness and complacency towards their customer base.

 

[Guy]

Keith, no offence but I believe this is a forum for petrolheads who are motivated by beautiful lines drawn by Pininfarina or Bertone, screaming V12 Ferraris and V8 Maseratis, lovers of all things Alfa Romeo no matter how challenging that may have been in recent years or decades! Cars like Chinese EVs and Genesis from wherever in Asia do not and will never inspire. They are white goods by comparison. Potentially well made and useful but nobody I know will have their pulse raised at the sight or sound of either. They are the antithesis of the passion we share. Personally, I believe there is a strong case for EVs in certain circumstances but I am certain they are not the future. I doubt anyone here really cares about a 7 year warranty! I also doubt that anyone here will be excited by anything Kia, Hyundai or BYD will release next because they are not developed with the passion that cars made by Aston Martin, Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, Lotus, Alpine, Porsche, etc are. Only time will tell but I doubt people will go to museums to admire the EVs of the 2020s....
To Loz's point, EVs are and will be throw away as their residual values are lost so quickly that the cost of replacement batteries will write them off after 10 years or so. Who will pay 20k for a replacement battery in a Porsche hybrid after 8 years? I doubt very much they will be in productive use as my 20 and 30 year old cars are.

 

[lozcb]

Got to be honest, I haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about

Great you have picked the best of the bunch, When your fog finally clears you may understand where I'm coming from, Guy sums it up quite succinctly , Im not going to preach why EV's aren't the answer or the whole net zero agenda is not what it purports to be, only that it took one lone little innocent boy amongst all the kings courtiers to shout "what clothes I cant see them" as the King stood there as naked as can be

 

[Felonious Crud]

Keith, no offence but I believe this is a forum for petrolheads who are motivated by beautiful lines drawn by Pininfarina or Bertone, screaming V12 Ferraris and V8 Maseratis, lovers of all things Alfa Romeo no matter how challenging that may have been in recent years or decades! Cars like Chinese EVs and Genesis from wherever in Asia do not and will never inspire. They are white goods by comparison. Potentially well made and useful but nobody I know will have their pulse raised at the sight or sound of either. They are the antithesis of the passion we share. Personally, I believe there is a strong case for EVs in certain circumstances but I am certain they are not the future. I doubt anyone here really cares about a 7 year warranty! I also doubt that anyone here will be excited by anything Kia, Hyundai or BYD will release next because they are not developed with the passion that cars made by Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, Lotus, Alpine, Porsche, etc are. Only time will tell but I doubt people will go to museums to admire the EVs of the 2020s....
To Loz's point, EVs are and will be throw away as their residual values are lost so quickly that the cost of replacement batteries will write them off after 10 years or so. Who will pay 20k for a replacement battery in a Porsche hybrid after 8 years? I doubt very much they will be in productive use as my 20 and 30 year old cars are.

Ridiculous post! You didn't once mention Aston Martin.

Bloody heathen.

 

[Guy]

Ridiculous post! You didn't once mention Aston Martin.

Bloody heathen.

Corrected with sincere apologies! I also omitted TVR as I am sure that would start another huge thread drift!

 

[P R]

If Ford sells 100k cars per year then to still sell that amount they need to sell 22k EV’s this year. By 2028 to maintain sales of 100k cars they will need to sell 52k EV’s. They are going to have to persuade a lot of people who just want a white goods car to spend a lot more on it….

Maybe if they manage to persuade 35k people by then they’ll just have to be content with only selling 67k cars per year, a 33% drop.

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This ZEV mandate should be linked to the amount of charging stations available. If (and when) the Government fails to meet that target then these targets should be altered accordingly

 

[keith]

Keith, no offence but I believe this is a forum for petrolheads who are motivated by beautiful lines drawn by Pininfarina or Bertone, screaming V12 Ferraris and V8 Maseratis, lovers of all things Alfa Romeo no matter how challenging that may have been in recent years or decades! Cars like Chinese EVs and Genesis from wherever in Asia do not and will never inspire. They are white goods by comparison. Potentially well made and useful but nobody I know will have their pulse raised at the sight or sound of either. They are the antithesis of the passion we share. Personally, I believe there is a strong case for EVs in certain circumstances but I am certain they are not the future. I doubt anyone here really cares about a 7 year warranty! I also doubt that anyone here will be excited by anything Kia, Hyundai or BYD will release next because they are not developed with the passion that cars made by Aston Martin, Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, Lotus, Alpine, Porsche, etc are. Only time will tell but I doubt people will go to museums to admire the EVs of the 2020s....
To Loz's point, EVs are and will be throw away as their residual values are lost so quickly that the cost of replacement batteries will write them off after 10 years or so. Who will pay 20k for a replacement battery in a Porsche hybrid after 8 years? I doubt very much they will be in productive use as my 20 and 30 year old cars are.

Whilst you state your position quite succinctly, I'm afraid to say, and with the greatest of respect (after all anybodies opinion is as valid as anyone else's), your argument has been heard before. When I bought my Ghibli Diesel in 2015 this site had many proclaiming Maseratis latest efforts - the Ghibli and QP weren't proper Maseratis, and the fitting of a Diesel engine was hereasy! Then with Levente, how could a proper Maserati be an SUV.
To let you into a little secret, Maserati are currently producing EV's and in the case of future models such as the now delayed QP, will be only EV.
You mention Lotus, once again a flawed example - both their latest models, the Electra SUV, and the Emeya four door coupe are both only EV.and what is even more amusing to me after reading your comment, both were extensively designed in China and both are completely built there by the Lotus parent company Geely Automotive- a Chinese company.
MG and Lotus to name but two, owe their very existence to China!
Turning to my Genesis for a moment, sadly contrary to your assertion, I can honestly say I've never owned a car which attracts so many positive comments from passers-by. Hardly a journey goes by without someone saying what a beautiful car it is, usually most thinking its a Bentley! Given that Luc Donkerwolke who was head of design at Bentley, and then moved to occupy the same position at Genesis, that perhaps makes some sense. I should add given that my Genesis costs half the price of a 4 door Bentley does rather add to the feeling of smugness!
Anyway regardless of everything, this forum is the best source of healthy debate and opinions!

 

[keith]

To indulge my vanity, a few pictures of said Genesis…

 

[drellis]

Joining the electric car club and owning a maserati or other sports car produced with passion shouldn't be mutually ex

 

[Ewan]

Nice in green.
A very lovely daily/commuting car.
Keep a sonorous V8 or V12 ICE along with it for weekend use, and you'll have a fabulous combination.

 

[drellis]

Joining the electric car club and owning a maserati or other sports car produced with passion shouldn't be mutually ex

Mutually exclusive. As Ewan said having both covers all bases

 

[drellis]

It was my 4 year old daughters first time in my qp v ( with full larini) . She doesn't want to go to school in anything else now, she loves the noise. However, the i3 is my choice for the school or other short runs, easy to park as has a better turning circle than a taxi, and faster than the qp 10-10-40mph. We are lucky to live in a time which appears to be the peak of ICE

 

[Guy]

Fully agree with the comments above. As I stated in my original message, I am sure there is a place for EVs and would have one where it would make sense (company car etc). I am a big fan of the i3 as it is to my mind the direction that EVs should have taken. Instead the OEMs have focussed on overweight and ugly cars that depreciate ridiculously quickly. Another supporting example; a friend's son bought a BMW iX this month, ex demo for 48k, less than half of list. If running an EV helps fund the pleasure of a V8/12 or lightweight sports car like the Alpine/Caterham/Elise etc then great. Not mutually exclusive.
I have been working around automotive industry for many years and am fully aware of who owns what. My reference to the marques was mainly rear facing. All OEMs have to consider EV to cover their bets but the smart ones like Toyota and Porsche know it is not the sole future.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I am pleased that some people find the Genesis attractive - we cannot all be the same.

 

[Phil H]

To indulge my vanity, a few pictures of said Genesis…

Oh curses, I've just 'liked' an EV.........